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Karat sits down with Howard University’s Dr. Katherine Picho-Kiroga to discuss social identity threat and interviewing
Last week, Karat sat down with Howard University’s Dr. Katherine Picho-Kiroga to talk about life-changing interviews and the impact that social identity threat has on interviewing candidates from underrepresented backgrounds. A quantitative research methodologist by training, with a doctorate in Social and Educational Psychology, Dr. Picho-Kiroga has been an integral partner for Karat’s Interview Access Gap research and Brilliant Black Minds program.
Over the course of her career, Dr. Picho has experienced a few life-changing interviews. She remembers a time when she was applying for MBA programs and felt her interviewer taking judging glances at her indicating that she was not a viable candidate.
For many candidates, these subtle signals can reduce confidence and stoke anxiety by reinforcing social identity threat.
According to Dr. Picho-Kiroga, social identity threat is a psychological phenomenon experienced in different contexts that signal subtly that a person, by virtue of belonging to a stigmatized group, is socially devalued. In evaluative contexts, such as during interviews or professional exams, this is called a stereotype threat. Individuals can experience concern and anxiety over confirming, as self-characteristic, a negative stereotype about one’s group.
While all of us have our own unconscious biases, it’s especially important for hiring managers and interviewers to recognize them and move past them in hiring decisions. In Dr. Picho-Kiroga’s interview, the interviewer had her own ideas of what a candidate like Dr. Picho would likely perform based on her own biases. However, as the interview went on, her demeanor changed.
Dr. Picho-Kiroga did end up receiving an offer to join the MBA program. “I was given a chance to demonstrate my skills and they were willing to give me a chance and see me as an individual, not as a member of a group for which negative stereotypes tend to apply.”
Although there is a positive ending, she remembers the interview as less than pleasant and an example of what not to do during an interview because for many candidates, having their qualifications doubted based on their appearance can be challenging to overcome.
According to The Interview Access Gap report for Black Engineers, this feeling is common amongst underrepresented candidates and especially Black women. One candidate from our study expressed that “I am so nervous that interviewers won’t like me or that I will say something that makes it seem that I am unable to do the job or any job in the field for that matter. Also, because I am a dark skin plus-sized woman, I worry about not looking the part for someone in a business setting.”
As one of the authors of the Interview Access Gap for Black Engineers, Dr. Picho-Kiroga examined how exposure to CS education, access to networks in the tech industry, and interview practice opportunities impacted Black engineers’ confidence levels and abilities to successfully secure jobs in tech.
It’s critical that the tech industry understand where these gaps exist and learn how to bridge them to create a more equitable world. Specifically, one of the elements of Brilliant Black Minds that Dr. Picho-Kiroga is most encouraged by is the holistic nature of the program.
“Representation during interview loops matter, and offering technical practice interviews matter but even more important,” stressed Dr. Picho-Kiroga, “ is understanding the experience of members of under-represented groups and harnessing this knowledge to develop practical and effective solutions that these groups can leverage at every gate encountered in the upward mobility of their careers. It’s the idea of a hand-up vs. a hand-out.”
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Dr. Picho-Kiroga has been studying the short-term effects of experiencing this phenomenon, which can include a loss of confidence and feeling like you lack a fit for the STEM field or for some social environments. Currently, she is innovating a “Social Identity Threat Game,” that will equip candidates with mechanisms that help them identify and cope with social identity threat in interview settings.
As she noted while reflecting on her own past interviews, Dr. Picho-Kiroga is no stranger to this threat but recognizes her growth in terms of understanding how to cope and overcome these feelings. Dr. Picho-Kiroga is hoping this game will provide ways for under-represented candidates to learn valuable strategies that can help them deal with social identity threat as they navigate their careers.
We extend a huge thank you to Dr. Katherine Picho-Kiroga for being a wonderful partner to both Karat and Brilliant Black Minds! Interested in hearing more? Watch the full presentation below.
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